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Fish had / has a bacterial infection

Discussion in 'Goldfish Clinic' started by CC11, Jan 10, 2016.

  1. CC11

    CC11 Active Member

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    We are here to help you with your sick fish. But we need to know the following information before we start the treatment. :
    What is Ammonia Level? 0
    What is Nitrite Level? 0
    What is Nitrate level? 0
    What is Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH)? 7.4 no idea on KH or GH
    What is Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH)? 7.4
    What is the brand of test-kit used(strips or drops)? API
    What is your water temperature? 27 C but I don’t think the cheap temp gauge is correct
    What is the size of the tank (how many gals.) and how long has it been set up? 15 G QT which is where the ill fish is. The other one is 50G.
    What is the name and size of the filter(s)? Aquis 1000 the QT has a built in spray bar filter.
    Is there any substrate in the tank? If so how deep? and what kind (sand, gravel)? Gravel 1.5cm – none in the QT tank.
    How often do you change the water and how much? Weekly and 50% or more. QT daily 20% and 2 x per week 75%.
    How many fish in the tank and their size? Only 1 in QT in total 4 + an apple snail.
    Do you use water conditioner(if so, what kind)? Prime
    What do you feed your fish and how often? Fluval sinking (soaked) 2 x per day. As treats Orange, Spinach and frozen (defrosted) blood worms
    Is there any new fish/plant added to the tank? if so how long is the quarantine period? Plant from pet shop with dedicated plant only tank no QT.
    Is there any medications added to the tank?

    Multi Cure – fungal

    Melafix + Pimafix 6 days.’

    Prazi Pro

    Antibotics for last 7 days.


    The fish a gold Telescope called Big Goldie had / has a bacterial infection wanting to know if you would continue antibiotics or see if its immune system can deal with the last remnants?


    Long story short. Fish stressed it’s self out while I was handling it during a water change so totally my fault. Initially it presented with a white patch on its side that I treated with fungus treatment, there was no change and it in fact then developed another white spot on its head. Plus both eyes became very cloudy. Now at this point (hindsight and real fish store specialist) I really should have gotten antibiotics but I did not realise you could buy them at the fish store. Swapped the fungal treatment for Melafix + Pimafix and 1 x dose of Prazi Pro. I think the Prazi Pro made the most difference. White spots gone, eyes less cloudy but in the place of the first white spot there appeared to be a small ulcer. Ulcer treated with 1x peroxide swab which cleared it up.


    So at this point all white patches are gone, the ulcer is gone and from what I can see only one of its eyes is slightly cloudy compared to when it was at its worst. (Maybe the other eye is also slightly cloudy but I feel I might just be looking at the lens (it is a telescope). Also the fishes poop is good it did have white stringy parts to it but for the last few days I have not seen this.


    My question is would you continue antibiotics or wait and see. I feel that wait and see is the correct option but at this point I don’t know and having gotten the fish back (not without mistakes) to semi health would appreciate some advice. I did take a picture of the fish but his eyes look so white where as they are in fact quite clear unless you are me staring at it from 5 cm away.
     
  2. CaliGold

    CaliGold Well-Known Member

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    My advice would be to stick with the full regiment of antibiotics. Just as with humans, you're supposed to keep taking the antibiotics until it's all gone, not just until the symtoms die down. Basically what happens is the weakest bacteria die off first, and once the greatest portion of bacteria is gone the symptoms start to fade. But the stronger, antibiotic-resistant ones can still be left behind, and if you stop the anitbiotic too soon (aka, before it's supposed to end), those stronger bacteria will recolonize and you will be dealing with a much tougher disease to get rid of in no time at all. In the best interest of your fish, do the full regiment of antibiotics.
     
  3. Faebinder

    Faebinder Well-Known Member

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    CaliGold got it right. 1 dose of prazi is not enough. Two weeks any antibiotics for any infection in a human and fish's immune system aint that much tbetter. If you already stopped prazi, hopefully the infection is not resistant to it now. If that is the case and symptoms came back then you're gonna need medicated food with a different antibiotic like Metronidazole or its cousins. That one is more of a pain cause its water soluble and fish need to be starved in between feedings so they can eat it immediately when it is put in the tank.
     
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  4. CC11

    CC11 Active Member

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    Thanks CaliGold I gave more antibiotics last night. Fae thanks also what you advised is why I restarted as well. I gave the fish Prazi as I was concerned before this occurred that it might have flukes and figured removing a parisite burden would help. Edit the fish has not been to the vet the Antibiotics are available from LFS. Cheers
     
  5. CC11

    CC11 Active Member

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    Fish lived btw so thank you for the help. Also I think my substrate was the cause ... I don't believe that the weekly vacuum was enough now. Now I will be monthly at the least cleaning the substrate. Will see what the substrate looks like after a month and adjust accordingly.
     
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  6. GoldenMcNewbie

    GoldenMcNewbie Well-Known Member

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    Might as well remove the substrate and put the plants in pots.
     
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  7. Faebinder

    Faebinder Well-Known Member

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    Heck, my blank bottom is hard to keep clean, I can't imagine keeping a substrate clean when goldfish are involved. Best of luck.
     
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  8. CC11

    CC11 Active Member

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    Honestly I was so pro the look (my arm hurts) but if it gets to painful ( bad back) then it's gone. In some ways just pulling it out is not that hard even swishing it around to clean not that hard. Going to investigate how to drain a tank by electric pump. I think I am developing a tennis arm. lol btw I also cleaned 2 other tanks and set up another for tadpoles which is why I am suffering. No pots ever I say now ...... GoldenMcNewbie lol
     
  9. CC11

    CC11 Active Member

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    Faebinder my bare bottom QT I had running gave me a taste :)
     

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