Some of you were members of the GSGB in the 1960s / 70s. I joined as a junior member in the late 1970s. At that time, we had a policy that a variety had to have characteristics that meant it was not possible to confuse them with any other - so there was only one with a hood and a dorsal and that had a caudal different from the other twin tailed varieties etc. I am a firm believer in that approach. I was delighted for many reasons, including this one, when we moved back to a forked tail Oranda. It keeps the varieties separate and encourages their development. We suffer a lot on Moors as too many show signs of Butterfly tails and although I have lost this argument, the principle based approach tells me we should not recognise both the Ryukin and the Fantail (I am biased there!) or the Wakin. All three, though not necessarily good ones, could come from the same spawning. That means two out of three should not be recognised as varieties in my opinion. You see the cross breeding coming through in Celestials with small bubbles under the eyes and as Dave says "I always say you can not sight identify fish genetics.". Anyone buying a fish as a "X" variety can no longer be confident they are indeed buying that. How does that help? You just end up with Heinz 57 fish. No use to anyone. Hence my objection. The problem is bad enough without making it worse. Finally and for what it is worth, I honestly don't think Guppies and Clownfish are in any way relevant to a discussion about Goldfish. That's me done on this subject. I clearly haven't persuaded many so I am going to just hope for the US market that some follow the line breeding approach because one day imports will stop and then you will have nothing for the AGA to promote.