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White bumps on one goldfish (don't seem like ich)

Discussion in 'All Questions from Newbies' started by rubenalex24, Feb 11, 2018.

  1. rubenalex24

    rubenalex24 Member

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    I tried to ask for help on the usual forum I use, but no one replied :(

    I have a 55 gallon tank with 2 fantails and 1 black moor, water is fine and the other 2 fish are fine too.

    1 month ago I noticed some bumps on one of my goldfish:

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    The bump would appear and disappear on different areas each day. One week ago, the bump would have this white string attached to the goldfish:



    Today the thing is getting worse, since now there are more bumps and it has one big one on her forehead:

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    So far, there are no visible behavior changes.

    I will be extremeley grateful if you guys can help me, I really don't know what to do.
     
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  2. nygold

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    Sometimes when the wen grows it turns white. This is normal.
     
  3. calicomj

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    But the white extends past the wen and looks more fluffy than what I consider normal. I would give the fish a few methylene blue baths and see what happens.
     
  4. rubenalex24

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    Ok, gonna do a methylene blue bath in my hospital tank and I'll let you know what happens.
     
  5. nygold

    nygold Well-Known Member

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    What do you think it is?
     
  6. nygold

    nygold Well-Known Member

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    I found this on another site.

    The wen should be fuzzy when its growing, and also goldfish will get "bumps" that look like ick on their head, and gill plates and pectoral fins in the spring and fall when the males are in mating form. Don't confuse these two with diseases.
    Also, know that fungus does not just "grow" on a fish, there has to be a wound, or some other problem (like bacterial infection or skin
    parasite) for the "fungus" to take hold. Fungus Only eats DEAD tissue. That is how nature breaks stuff down.
    If your entire goldfish is covered in "fungus" its probably as a result of skin
    parasites and the condition is known as "costia"
    If the tail has white specks, its just minor wounds or tears. If the wen is fuzzy its just growing. Poor fancy goldfish, probably the most misdiagnosed fish on the planet.
     
  7. joe

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    The orange fish in question appears to be a young oranda that is developing its wen (head growth) Some times you see white tuffs forming in the crease of the wen growth. This may be associated with new growth. This appears the case with your fish. However in order to rule out environmental issues please answer the following questions:
    What is Ammonia Level?
    What is Nitrite Level?
    What is Nitrate level?
    What is Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH)?
    What is Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH)?
    What is the brand of test-kit used(strips or drops)?
    What is your water temperature?
    What is the size of the tank (how many gals.) and how long has it been set up?
    What is the name and size of the filter(s)?
    Is there any substrate in the tank? If so how deep? and what kind (sand, gravel)?
    How often do you change the water and how much?
    How many fish in the tank and their size?
    Do you use water conditioner(if so, what kind)?
    What do you feed your fish and how often?
    Is there any new fish/plant added to the tank? if so how long is the quarantine period?
    Is there any medications added to the tank?
    Describe the problems you are seeing: example grains of salt on body, bloddy streaks, frayed fins, fungus, staying at bottom, not eating, etc?
     
  8. rubenalex24

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    What is Ammonia Level?
    0

    What is Nitrite Level?
    0

    What is Nitrate level?
    4

    What is Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH)?
    7.3

    What is Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH)?
    No Idea

    What is the brand of test-kit used(strips or drops)?
    API Master test kit

    What is your water temperature?
    67

    What is the size of the tank (how many gals.) and how long has it been set up?
    55 gals (6 months)

    What is the name and size of the filter(s)?
    Marine land penguin power filter 350 (up to 70 gals)

    Is there any substrate in the tank? If so how deep? and what kind (sand, gravel)?
    Gravel and depth is approximately 1.5 inches

    How often do you change the water and how much?
    Water changes on monday and friday (13 gals each, which in total is 25% of the tank's water capacity)

    How many fish in the tank and their size?
    3 fancy goldfish (2 around 1.5 inches and the other one around 3-4)

    Do you use water conditioner(if so, what kind)?
    Prime water conditioner

    What do you feed your fish and how often?
    I alternate between flakes and lettuce

    Is there any new fish/plant added to the tank? if so how long is the quarantine period?
    No.

    Is there any medications added to the tank?
    No

    Describe the problems you are seeing: example grains of salt on body, bloddy streaks, frayed fins, fungus, staying at bottom, not eating, et

    Fish shows no behavior changes, she shows white bumps on her forehead and sometimes on body that come and go during the day.

    New Pic and video :



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  9. calicomj

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    I think it is either the beginnings of fungus, but now that I take a closer look... I believe it's more likely to be excess slime coat. It is on the body of the fish, so it can't possibly be just "wen growth" as people try to call it.
     
  10. nygold

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    This first video didn't show any signs of a fish that needed to be medicated.
    The second video is a totally different story. Stop the video on the black moor, this fish has issues.
    Since they are in the same tank something needs to be done. I would try raising the temp. and adding salt this way you might not kill the beneficial bacterial and have to start your cycle over. You can always treat the fish in a quarantine tank but your have to break down the original tank and clean it out real good.
    Keep us posted
     
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  11. nygold

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    What does "as people try to call it." mean?
    Are you saying white spots do not precede wen growth?
     
  12. rubenalex24

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    Maybe its the low temperature (currently at 68) the one causing the trouble. What's a good temp for this issue? (google says 86, but I rather double check with you).
     
  13. nygold

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    You can try in the low 80's and slowly bring it up. Even getting them from 68 to say 82 has to be done slowly.
    Be careful.
     
  14. rubenalex24

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    Alright, I will.

    How slowly though? I was thinking one degree every two hours, is that ok?
     
  15. nygold

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    That should be fine, just keep an eye on the fish.
     
  16. joe

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    I would increase your water changes to 2 50% water changes weekly, vacuum half the tank (gravel) with each water change. Make sure those rocks you have in there are safe for the fish. Remember to vacuum gravel that ornaments and rocks sit on as a lot debris will develop. I agree with the salt and increase in water temps. One degree every one-two hours is fine. Just make sure you have adequate aeration (air stones) going when your water hits the 80 degree mark
     
  17. rubenalex24

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    Air stone and heater running

    I'll post any updates.
     
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  18. rubenalex24

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    I forgot to ask, is this good for aeration or should I get something else?

     
  19. joe

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    yes great aeration
     
  20. Surrealasm

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    you should probably put the moor in a hospital tank, how long has it had those white growths?
     

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