Monden Ranchu Fry 2010

[harzan]

Ranchu Guys and Gals,

My first batch this year. What do you think? Tails?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdX1K1PnQs

[johnatoranchu]

A reasonable number to choose from so hopefully there will be some quality there but my eyes aren't good enough to give you a reasoned judgement at this stage. Keep culling and growing.
John

[harzan]

Hey John,

click on the box with 4 arrows pointing out. This will enlarge the vid to the full screen. What should I be culling for at this size?

[johnatoranchu]

Many thanks for the lesson - we learn something every day - it's a good way to put size on your Ranchu.
At this stage cull for tails only but of course also throw out others with major faults as you discover them. End of peduncle/tail joint should resemble the shape of your thumb nail, that is rounded with no/little indentation caused by the middle ray of the tail. Discard any which do not have a shoulder to the tail, that is those where the tail approximates to a "V" coming from the body whereas you need to look for a "U". That's a bit simplistic but hope it explains it OK. Assess the spawning for split tails. If there is a reasonable number then discard all those with joined tails. If numbers dictate that you need to keep some joined tails select only those with wide tails.
John

[bigbettadan]

Looks like a healthy batch..... Like John said, start culling out the V/pinched tails....(or sell them as SVR..LOL)........

Dan

[fastrails]

Ranchu Guys and Gals,

My first batch this year. What do you think? Tails?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdX1K1PnQs


They look great Harris. Let me know when you ready to ship-haha.

[Hondataeg6]

My monden male is showing breeding tubercules, don't know if my females are ready or not.

[harzan]

Hi John, I get this... "tail approximates to a "V" coming from the body whereas you need to look for a "U". That's a bit simplistic but hope it explains it OK. Assess the spawning for split tails. If there is a reasonable number then discard all those with joined tails. If numbers dictate that you need to keep some joined tails select only those with wide tails".

BUT! Should the tails show the split at this size? Split in tail is something I need to work on this season. I do not know if it my eyes that cannot see the split or if it splits later? I do not see any yet...maybe just a couple.

Thanks,

[johnatoranchu]

Hi John, I get this... "tail approximates to a "V" coming from the body whereas you need to look for a "U". That's a bit simplistic but hope it explains it OK. Assess the spawning for split tails. If there is a reasonable number then discard all those with joined tails. If numbers dictate that you need to keep some joined tails select only those with wide tails".

BUT! Should the tails show the split at this size? Split in tail is something I need to work on this season. I do not know if it my eyes that cannot see the split or if it splits later? I do not see any yet...maybe just a couple.

Thanks,

How large are the fry at the moment? Should be easy to see split when fry 1/2 inch body length if placed in a white bowl but if in doubt wait until fish are an inch long including tail. The split needs to be narrow, that is both top lobes held close together, so the best tails can look joined in the early stages. The split is there from the start but a small nick of a split is OK as the tail lobes grow so the split lengthens. Well, it does on a good day!
John

[harzan]

Thanks John,

They are about 2 cm in total with tail.

Thanks,

Harris

[Cincy Ranchu]

I am pretty excited, I hope to be able to do an exchange with you in June. My Moenden are doing well....:exact:

[afnaveils]

Great job Harz! Tail looks better than last year's batch. Put a light above and watch the shadow of the tail, you'll see split or no split.

[harzan]

Thanks Gary and Gerard,

I have a much better rate of survivors so far as I have had no issues with flukes yet and just split the big batch as I was losing 10 and finally 20 the last day that I made the split. I guess space really makes a difference. Another batch that hatched the same day is a little bigger, must be due to space.

I have noticed differences between the Thai lines from Japan to the Mondens The Mondens may not have the wrinkle so prominent, but has started to come out as I have been feeding better with breeding season. My fish are much smaller than the commercial grown Thai fish. I believe the scales are noticeably smaller and appear much tighter in fit. I find them much more attractive scale wise.

I am still hoping for the split tails and coloring. I find the Monden coloration is much more brilliant comparing adult to adult. May be I have not had the Thai ones long enough, but they are in full sun.

These ranchu may be keepers after all.

[bigbettadan]

What other line do you have beside Monden??

Dan

[harzan]

same as you...from Paul.

[harzan]

Have look! Still waiting on about 1/2 for the split tails.....:coffee::coffee::coffee: Am I being too hopeful?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEk1tlvVT5k

Thanks,

[Cincy Ranchu]

This is pretty exciting Harzan, still waiting for fry from this line, some have pretty nice bracelots

[bigbettadan]

You should see some split at that size... Looking good.

Dan

[Cincy Ranchu]

there are some splits, look closely:exact:

[harzan]

yes, about 25-35% are split, but several are not. Some just look like it and are not. At this point, is thee hope for those that are not yet split? I cannot remember how long it tool for splits to show up.

I see small ones of the Itoh spawn already showing splits....hmmm.

Thanks!

[bigbettadan]

If you have enough Monden BBR with splits, I would move on and make room for the ones that do..........

Dan

[harzan]

I posted to you tube.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofX_Xww3jjw

or this one may be easier to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6f1s2cot6M

:)

[King_oF_Ranchu]

Harris,

Since you post these babies under judging topic. I would say that they have no quality and you need to culled them off!

You know my address, So use FedEx express! I know you dont want to kill them....Ship them all >:)

Paul

[suphi]

Good development! Decent wen growth and nice body. There are a few that I would buy if I had space. Let's see how they look in a few months.

[afnaveils]

Great ranchus Harz! Keep some for me!

[bigbettadan]

You are on your way!

Dan

[harzan]

We shall see....and will post again next month.
Thanks for the replies.

[Cincy Ranchu]

Have you bred your Azumas yet? Also would like to see the adulta

[harzan]

ok gary...I will start a new post next week with a couple of vids.

[Cincy Ranchu]

I bought 12 fry from PAUL ns within one week 9 have turned blue, I am feeding Saki Purple, it will be nice to see how they come out.

[harzan]

over 50% of mine had spikes or no dorsal at all with knobs.

I think this will be a longer road on this one.....Will be fun though.

[harzan]

July update...have about 8 that I would use to keep this attempt going.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeXHHkEEC4M

I have a trio below that have a fault that most ranchu people here cull out for earlier (split tail). I like them too much to discard just yet. I know most of you will say CULL!...but I have to ask...tails do not look fused, but they are...white where the split should be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOuDF6qniU

[johnatoranchu]

Heads look mean too Harris! With that and the fused tails ....... be brave - you know what to do!!!
John

[bigbettadan]

The question you have to ask, is if you have adaquate sibs of equal or better quality, as well as proper tail split, why do you need/want them? Do they a have a future in the breeding program? you know the answer.

Dan

[harzan]

Haha! You guys know me..."the Goldfish Hoarder"...I am getting better though now.:):):)

[johnatoranchu]

Haha! You guys know me..."the Goldfish Hoarder"...I am getting better though now.:):):)

But are you really getting better? You still have those featureless blue things!
Let's hope your spawnings of Azumas are huge and top quality and you need loads of additional space for them so you have no room fror the .........
John

[harzan]

But are you really getting better? You still have those featureless blue things!
Let's hope your spawnings of Azumas are huge and top quality and you need loads of additional space for them so you have no room fror the .........
John

Yes, I will lose my Ranchu space....I cannot give up my Blue Eggs.

[johnatoranchu]

Harris, it's clearly going to take longer to turn you into a SERIOUS goldfish breeder than I thought? Now we both know you are not going to give up Ranchu don't we? Just as well I don't take everything you say too seriously!!! Although to be serious for a moment, I really do like the look of those Azumas; they well worth concentrating on. It will be interesting to see how Paul's fry develop.
John

[harzan]

Harris, it's clearly going to take longer to turn you into a SERIOUS goldfish breeder than I thought? Now we both know you are not going to give up Ranchu don't we? Just as well I don't take everything you say too seriously!!! Although to be serious for a moment, I really do like the look of those Azumas; they well worth concentrating on. It will be interesting to see how Paul's fry develop.
John

Just like Dan, I would not give them up completely ( and I do not think Dan will for another decade or several decades). For me personally, just play more with the long tails like orandas, Azumas, Nankin (Naceous:):):))!

If I go to Japan, I might try edonishiki if I find lots of blue...

All kidding aside, I will try new blood.