Wen Growth Issue

[32Bit_Fish]

Hi Guys,

I am having problem with my fish. Their wens never grow, as a matter of fact, it shrunk so bad that I get arrow head goldfish swimming around in my tank.

They were look fat and healthy /w a big wen when I first purchased them.

I am so frustrated and without knowing what I've done wrong.

I have a 38g bare buttom tank with 3 lionheads for almost a year and added another 2 Ryukins three weeks ago. The lionheads wouldnt grow and I do 80% w/c at least 3 times a week. I feed them frozen bloodworm/brineshrimps in the morning and pro-gold in the evening.


Two of the lionheads are having SBD problem, but that shouldn't be the reason they are not growing as long as they eat food.


I'm so disappointed... I appreciate all comments .

[Cincy Ranchu]

Wen growth is a thing that has plaqued US breeders for years. Without massive amounts of bloodwqorms or canned tuna it seemsthat we lag behind tha masters in Japan and China.

You also may have your fish too crowded and perhaps do not feed them enough. Otherwise te US folks just develop a lag. How many ounzes of bloodworms are you feeding a month? I think the sheer weight of bloodworms that guys like Parker and I go through to get wen is hard to comprhend. I am using 160 pounds of frozen food per year, half blood worms and half brineshrimp.

I also feed about 5 lbs/year of dried blood worms..

As for getting the wen started on baby fish I have gone to using a mortar and pestal to gring dried blood worms into dust and feeding that to Ranchu at about six weeks of age.

Try feeding more protien like canned tuna fish packed in water and just crumbling small amounts several times a day:yess:

[32Bit_Fish]

Wen growth is a thing that has plaqued US breeders for years. Without massive amounts of bloodwqorms or canned tuna it seemsthat we lag behind tha masters in Japan and China.

You also may have your fish too crowded and perhaps do not feed them enough. Otherwise te US folks just develop a lag. How many ounzes of bloodworms are you feeding a month? I think the sheer weight of bloodworms that guys like Parker and I go through to get wen is hard to comprhend. I am using 160 pounds of frozen food per year, half blood worms and half brineshrimp.

I also feed about 5 lbs/year of dried blood worms..

As for getting the wen started on baby fish I have gone to using a mortar and pestal to gring dried blood worms into dust and feeding that to Ranchu at about six weeks of age.

Try feeding more protien like canned tuna fish packed in water and just crumbling small amounts several times a day:yess:

But overfeeding would always cause SBD problem. My fish has it and they just float at the surface after each meal. I feed them whatever they can finish within 2 mins.

Is the time including the time when they are chewing the food or just no food left at the buttom of the tank?

You sound like blood worm is the best food for gold fish? What about brine shrimp and other dry food?

Thanks

[Virginia ranchu]

I too have floating fish when I feed too much dry pellet in a short amount of time, but I don't have this problem when I feed a gel food. I know Gary posted some instructions for making gel food, which can contain canned fish (like tuna, mackerel or salmon). Also, you can put pelleted food in a blender and add the powder to the gel food mix. I think the important thing is that it won't expand after the fish eat it.

Rob

[thomasn]

Wen growth is a thing that has plaqued US breeders for years. Without massive amounts of bloodwqorms or canned tuna it seemsthat we lag behind tha masters in Japan and China.

You also may have your fish too crowded and perhaps do not feed them enough. Otherwise te US folks just develop a lag. How many ounzes of bloodworms are you feeding a month? I think the sheer weight of bloodworms that guys like Parker and I go through to get wen is hard to comprhend. I am using 160 pounds of frozen food per year, half blood worms and half brineshrimp.

I also feed about 5 lbs/year of dried blood worms..

As for getting the wen started on baby fish I have gone to using a mortar and pestal to gring dried blood worms into dust and feeding that to Ranchu at about six weeks of age.

Try feeding more protien like canned tuna fish packed in water and just crumbling small amounts several times a day:yess:

Gary,
do you ever have problems with flukes or parasites from the frozen bloodworms?
Thomas

[HNLim]

Check your water pH.

[small_ranchu]

Check your water pH.
what happen when PH is low around 6.8?

[32Bit_Fish]

my ph is always above 7.0 n nitrate under 15 before every w/c.

[HNLim]

my ph is always above 7.0 n nitrate under 15 before every w/c.
OK! your pH is always above 7.0 before a water change, is that correct?

Can you provide a more accurate pH reading just before water change?
Can you also add one teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate (baking powder) into the aquarium and provide us with the pH reading 10 minutes later?

[HNLim]

what happen when PH is low around 6.8?
Many many unpleasant things will happen!

[Sabine]

Can you also add one teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate (baking powder) into the aquarium and provide us with the pH reading 10 minutes later?

Baking powder is not pure sodium bicarbonate. Baking soda is. Do not use baking powder (which contains starch and tartaric acid on top of the soda). Do use baking soda- it's also cheaper.

[Fishdork]

Yes, baking soda, remember, we don't want them to rise too much! For a few months I've stopped using small floating pellets and been using mostly fine crumble food mixed in gel (1 1/2c water:1 pkt gelatine). One large bubble eye swims on her back sometimes, but I'm unable to teach her any other tricks and I have no floaters. The hood seems to be a place for fish to store excess protein. Feeding excess protein will also put a greater load on the bio filter. When I get floaters and sinkers, they rarely thrive, they just need extra work to keep them alive. Online sources say bloodworms are not recommended as a sole diet, but I think some experts come close without any problems.
Norm

[Cincy Ranchu]

Wait a minute!

We have two subjects discussed; if we are talking about Wens, you need to feed the fish more protien, more blood worms and feed more often. also, pellet food should be of the sinking variety and the optimum size is 1 to 2mm (1/16") in order to prevent floating. This 2 minute rule is for people who are trying to keep their fish alive, not for hobbyiest trying to grow specimens of high quality.

My big question becomes, once you have floaters can you ever recover? Sadly, I think not. Your only solution appears to be wait until spring throw those fish in a pond or tub, and then start over with some new stock and a better feeding plan.

GH

[HNLim]

It all depends on the situation. These 2 telescope eyes were floating upsidedown for several days and went on to recover fully and was able to grace some competitions. The red one went on to win first prize at the First Singapore Goldfish Festival 2007. The second one participated at the Second My Fancy Goldfish Competition in 2008 but won nothing.
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[32Bit_Fish]

Wait a minute!

This 2 minute rule is for people who are trying to keep their fish alive, not for hobbyiest trying to grow specimens of high quality.


GH

Can you elaborate this? So 2 mins is too short or too long?

[Cincy Ranchu]

For wen growth, the best food is frozen blood worms followed by tuna fish.....

Brineshrimp has not been shown to be successful, Note on e of the key things about blood worms are the unusual protiensi n them, this is what some people are alergic to when handling them.

As for diseases from bloodworms, I have been importing them from Oregon Desert Brine Shrimp for in excess of three years and feed several pounds weekly, I see no issues and after all this time and volume of worms I would have, if it was going to be an issue.
Go to a smaller pellet in the 1 to 2mm diameter range

THX GH

[32Bit_Fish]

For wen growth, the best food is frozen blood worms followed by tuna fish.....

Brineshrimp has not been shown to be successful, Note on e of the key things about blood worms are the unusual protiensi n them, this is what some people are alergic to when handling them.

As for diseases from bloodworms, I have been importing them from Oregon Desert Brine Shrimp for in excess of three years and feed several pounds weekly, I see no issues and after all this time and volume of worms I would have, if it was going to be an issue.
Go to a smaller pellet in the 1 to 2mm diameter range

THX GH


Can I use one of those caned tunup fish in the super market?

Making gel food seems very time consuming an d complicated. any suggestions?

[Jed]

Can I use one of those caned tunup fish in the super market?

Making gel food seems very time consuming an d complicated. any suggestions?

Yes! Buy the cans that are packed in water. I have added this to my goldfish diet since reading Gary's post, and my goldfish loves it.

[32Bit_Fish]

Yes! Buy the cans that are packed in water. I have added this to my goldfish diet since reading Gary's post, and my goldfish loves it.

Do I need to wash them before dump them in the tank?

Would it be too grease n pollute the water?

[small_ranchu]

If you put in the gel food, it won't pollute the water.

[Jed]

It's doesn't pollute the water because the tuna is canned in water, not oil. Just squeeze excess water off with fingers before you drop it in the tank.

[32Bit_Fish]

It's doesn't pollute the water because the tuna is canned in water, not oil. Just squeeze excess water off with fingers before you drop it in the tank.

The canned tuna has 8% of sodium.

Maybe I need to wash it in the tap water before feeding them?

[32Bit_Fish]

I fed my fish with canned tuna and it was really messy.

[Jed]

Maybe you should try adding it in gel food. Do you have a bare bottom tank? This is what I do, because I had this problem when feeding bloodworms. I will turn my filters off until they are done eating because it blows everywhere.

[32Bit_Fish]

Maybe you should try adding it in gel food. Do you have a bare bottom tank? This is what I do, because I had this problem when feeding bloodworms. I will turn my filters off until they are done eating because it blows everywhere.

I have a BB tank. And yes, I turned off the filters while feeding tuna.

I put the tuna in a fish net and wash them with tap water. Then I screeze the water out and dump them in the tank.

Anyway, some fish are still floating.. I am going to starve them for couple of days.