Ryukin fry born 11-2-10

[nygold]

My guesstimation is anywhere from 1000 to 1500.
The bottom pic is just some of the fish.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/11-9-10.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/11-9-102.jpg

[Ranchufan16]

Looking good Nygold theres tons in there thats AWESOME!

[small_ranchu]

Nice pics and a lot of fish.. great

[Ranchufan16]

Nice pics and a lot of fish.. great


Fred, I think you need some of these!!!:exact:

[small_ranchu]

I can always visit him and play with those fish. (He lives 10 min away from me) :)

[Ranchufan16]

true that, true that...I envy you...would be nice to be so close to someone on the forum, gary is the closest for me but thats still almost a 3 hour drive...

[Cincy Ranchu]

Love the individual fry shot full of brine shrimp.

Suggest you triple the tankage now

[thomas]

Any pictures of the parents?

[Romewhip]

Wow, that's awesome!

Fry almost remind me of puppies in a way, most puppies look relatively the same at birth then as they grow the breed characteristics come out. Same for fry.

Let me know when it's time to send some out for grow-out!

[Ranchufan16]

Wow, that's awesome!

Let me know when it's time to send some out for grow-out!

im with yah! i got some butterfly fry from him and man does he breed some nice fish!!!!!!

[fantail1]

loads to practice the culling on! Good luck!

[nygold]

loads to practice the culling on! Good luck!

That's where Fred comes in we'll have a couple of drinks and cull.:D

[nygold]

Here are the parents the male is on top
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/10-3-101.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/10-3-104.jpg

[nygold]

Love the individual fry shot full of brine shrimp.

Suggest you triple the tankage now


It's really not as crowded as it looks.
I just put in a turkey baster full of BBS and a school of them swam to one corner.

[Ranchufan16]

Here are the parents the male is on top
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/10-3-101.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/10-3-104.jpg

extremely jealous right at the moment!

[Spencer]

very nice parent fish.... maybe i need a few of those fry to practice my growing out skills :).... nothing like a red and white ryukin...or butterfly... my two favorite fish.

[Ranchufan16]

very nice parent fish.... maybe i need a few of those fry to practice my growing out skills :).... nothing like a red and white ryukin...or butterfly... my two favorite fish.

I have a few of his butterfly fry and some of his ryukin butterfly hybrids....NICE:) very very very nice. my two fav breeds too. then would be ranchu

[thomas]

Very nice ryukin. Can't wait to see the outcome of your fries.

[Romewhip]

wow, love the parents. really nice conformation and shape on them. Should make for some really nice fishes!

[nygold]

wow, love the parents. really nice conformation and shape on them. Should make for some really nice fishes!


We'll see how they turn out from what I understand nice looking parents don't necessarily make the best offspring.

[billys]

Excellent photos of the fry.

Best wishes Billy.

[nygold]

Ryukin fry update they are just shy of 3 weeks old.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/11-22-109.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/11-22-108.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/11-22-105.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/11-22-101.jpg

[small_ranchu]

wow.. a lot and a lot of fish.. hope you can get a lot of good one from this batch.

[Ranchufan16]

Looking great~my fav is 200th from the left, 60 down in the first picture...LOL awesome batch you got there!!

[afnaveils]

Looking great~my fav is 200th from the left, 60 down in the first picture...LOL awesome batch you got there!!

Oh, that's definitely a champion!!:woohoo:

[Ranchufan16]

Oh, that's definitely a champion!!:woohoo:

my thoughts exactly~!!:yess:

[nygold]

Looking great~my fav is 200th from the left, 60 down in the first picture...LOL awesome batch you got there!!

I'll save that one for ya.:))

[Ranchumaniax]

Nice Batch! I think you better keep culling, and Culling them Fast!
They look like they going to over grow your tank!

[nygold]

Nice Batch! I think you better keep culling, and Culling them Fast!
They look like they going to over grow your tank!

Your right I split some up to another tank but I'm out of tanks now.
This is the best I can do for now.
The problem is the fry look to good, you really have to look hard to find a clunker.

[Ranchumaniax]

I face the same problem as you do, but look closely to each individual fish.
And you will find something wrong with it, if not then move the fish to other tank.
I never breed ryukin before, but I believe you will end up with load of fish!

[Ranchufan16]

you're right paul! i have heard that 9 times out of 10 you will get nothing but good ryukins when breeding good ryukins..one of the few breeds that almost always breeds true! Good Luck!

[nygold]

What's really going to separate the average from the great is the hump and that isn't going to come along for a while. I took all the ones out with spine issues and such now that I can see the tails a bit better I will take out the butterfly tails. I found one fish with a single tail and I'm not 100% sure of that. In the end I"ll be looking for all the ones with twin tails that are held close together like praying hands.

[elusiveracer]

I like your pics man, they are always clear. :hi5:

[Romewhip]

That is so neat to see them growing up! They are looking fantastic, and unlike some fry they seem to be quite consistent. Nice fishies, and thank you for sharing.

[nygold]

I was a culling monkey today I must have taken out a few hundred.
It's a shame I'm culling out the butterfly tails I think they might turn out to be nice fish. Oh well I must stay focused.

[thomas]

I don't know too much about culling but at this stage what else do you look for to cull besides deform fish and butterfly tail if there is anything else?

[nygold]

I don't know too much about culling but at this stage what else do you look for to cull besides deform fish and butterfly tail if there is anything else?

Those are the 2 major thing I can see right noe and also anything that is very tiny.

[nygold]

Culled another 300 I found some with little spike dorsals and some with bent spines but mostly butterfly tails.

[Romewhip]

Looking forward to the next photo set :yess:

[Cincy Ranchu]

While it seems you have the right attitude about culling I might suggest you study the fish from the side for a while and see if any have short operculums. When they get near two inches you will have two major issues, fish with no humps and fish with short, twisted and missing operculums. The later is the most frustrating aspect of growing ryukin as the coolest fish often have this issue and it seems to devlop on many fish all in the same weekafter you have months invested.

[Ranchufan16]

Culled another 300 I found some with little spike dorsals and some with bent spines but mostly butterfly tails.

would the butterfly tail not be considered a Chochokin? just wondering as that is all the chochokin is...a smaller humped broadtail ryukin...

[VeiltailGuy]

hope there will be regular updates!

[nygold]

While it seems you have the right attitude about culling I might suggest you study the fish from the side for a while and see if any have short operculums. When they get near two inches you will have two major issues, fish with no humps and fish with short, twisted and missing operculums. The later is the most frustrating aspect of growing ryukin as the coolest fish often have this issue and it seems to devlop on many fish all in the same weekafter you have months invested.

Thanks I've been doing all of the culling from the side.
When the fish are a but bigger I will look closer at the gill plates.
I had a hand full of them with my Ryukin hybrid spawn.
I kept 3 fish from the ryukin hybrids 2 that I liked and one absolute runt and one of the fish I liked ended up with one gill plate curling.
What are ya gonna do, I guess it's part of the game.
Thanks for the help.

[nygold]

Back from Paul's and just culled another 300 Ryukin.

[small_ranchu]

Back from Paul's and just culled another 300 Ryukin.

omg, you don't even wait for tomorrow...

[sanggarra]

How many are you left? I lost count, LOL! :))

[nygold]

How many are you left? I lost count, LOL! :))

I figure around 800 to 1000 left.

[afnaveils]

omg, you don't even wait for tomorrow...

I guess Paul put you in the mood of culling.:hangout:

[small_ranchu]

It is true.. lol

[nygold]

I guess Paul put you in the mood of culling.:hangout:


Yeah I guess I was inspired.

[sc569]

I prefer the ones with partially spread tails. The tightly paired tailed fish never spread their tails and look like nymphs, the single tailed ones.

The ones with tosakinlike tail spreads turn out to be runts for me since they swim poorly.

[nygold]

I prefer the ones with partially spread tails. The tightly paired tailed fish never spread their tails and look like nymphs, the single tailed ones.

The ones with tosakinlike tail spreads turn out to be runts for me since they swim poorly.

Thanks for the info.
I'm really weeding out the ones that have a tvr / butterfly tail the tail looks flat (horizontal) from the side.
I was able to get a look at the Veils you gave to Fred. He is doing a great job with them they look very healthy and VERY BIG.

[Ranchumaniax]

Back from Paul's and just culled another 300 Ryukin.

Look like your hands got itchy after shaking hand with me, huh? >:)

Paul

[small_ranchu]

Look like your hands got itchy after shaking hand with me, huh? >:)

Paul

perhaps, culling parasite...

Any more culling for today? >:)

[nygold]

perhaps, culling parasite...

Any more culling for today? >:)

Yep I culled another 125 in the last 4 days I culled over 1000 fish.
I got rid of about half. Looks like I had even more than I thought I have about 1000 left.

[nygold]

Here is a quick little video of some of the ryukin fry

http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/?action=view&current=11-28-1011.mp4

[Ranchufan16]

They are looking really good!!!!

[Romewhip]

They look terrific, nice action as they move and still pretty consistent in body. Nice fishies!

[judge]

Here is a quick little video of some of the ryukin fry

http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/?action=view&current=11-28-1011.mp4

Congrats NYGold... They are looking good. Under the right condition you should see Hump in 1 or 2 weeks...

[nygold]

Congrats NYGold... They are looking good. Under the right condition you should see Hump in 1 or 2 weeks...

Thanks Judge I hope your right I still have a lot of culling to do and if the humps show up it's going to help.

[nygold]

Just culled another 600 my eyes are burning.:Suprise2:
That's over 1600 so far and I still have alot to go.
I swear they are multiplying behind my back.:confuse:

[Ranchufan16]

Just culled another 600 my eyes are burning.:Suprise2:
That's over 1600 so far and I still have alot to go.
I swear they are multiplying behind my back.:confuse:

They probably are! LOL gracious how many do you have left?

[nygold]

They probably are! LOL gracious how many do you have left?

Too many, I can't seem to put a dent in this bunch.
My next plan might be to pick out the best 100 and split them into 2 tanks and then cull from there.
Unless someone has a better idea.
Turns out my guesstimate was way low the final number will probably be over 3000. WAY too many fry for my little lab. I was spoiled by having small spawn prior the this one they grew like weeds, space wasn't an issue, and the others didn't breed as true as these guys.

[BruceP]

Picking your ;best; 100 isnt a bad idea... make it 200 ;) But what do I know... lol It's all us little hobbiests can do with limited facilities.

[fantail1]

how much room do you have? If you work out what number you can handle by the time they grow another 5mm - 1 cm and cull down to that number you will give them growing room and better conditions.

[nygold]

I've been growning them out in 2 groups 300 or so in a 27 gallon round soft tank and the rest in a 40 gallon tank. But I noticed some of my bigger fish not doing so well so I had put all the fry in the 40 and use the 27 for a hospital tank. I have to buy heaters, I have a few other smaller tubs I could use but if the water is too cold I'm not going to get anything done.
I have my "lab" in the basement so without heaters the water is around 60 degrees. Toooooo Coooooold for fry or a hospital.

[fantail1]

40 gallon would be a surface area of 6 square feet? If so, I would go with circa 100 - 150 for now (they are 1 cm long plus tail?) and keep culling for defects thereafter.

[nygold]

40 gallon would be a surface area of 6 square feet? If so, I would go with circa 100 - 150 for now (they are 1 cm long plus tail?) and keep culling for defects thereafter.

Thanks Fantail I just have so many, do you think picking the best 100-150 then just scrapping the rest is a better way to go?
I'm still lookin at close to 1000 fish.

[sc569]

You could just pick out the healthiest and best looking ones. This is much easier than deciding upon each and every fry. I cull the runts.

If you can get it down to 100 to 200, then the selection process becomes easier. The fry grow faster too and the best ones really shine out.

[nygold]

You could just pick out the healthiest and best looking ones. This is much easier than deciding upon each and every fry. I cull the runts.

If you can get it down to 100 to 200, then the selection process becomes easier. The fry grow faster too and the best ones really shine out.

Thanks Streamson it sounds like the best rout to take from here.
The truth is I'm tired of culling. Culling a couple of 100 is on thing but when your into the 1000's it just silly.

[fantail1]

If you cull positively, ie just the good ones, once you have found the number you want, you remove the rest. There is always the risk that you cull a good one, but if you select from a small number at a time, say 20-30, and keep the best 2 -3 then you will get the ones you want and won't miss many that you should have kept. Don't actually cull any until you have gone back to the 100 you plan to keep. Check them over and once you are satisfied then cull the rest.

No one who has done it will ever say breeding fancy goldfish is easy!

David

[nygold]

If you cull positively, ie just the good ones, once you have found the number you want, you remove the rest. There is always the risk that you cull a good one, but if you select from a small number at a time, say 20-30, and keep the best 2 -3 then you will get the ones you want and won't miss many that you should have kept. Don't actually cull any until you have gone back to the 100 you plan to keep. Check them over and once you are satisfied then cull the rest.

No one who has done it will ever say breeding fancy goldfish is easy!

David

Thanks Fantail so should I just move 20-30 to a different space and keep the others for a while as backups so to speak?

[afnaveils]

I think it just confirms how ryukins breed true.

[fantail1]

Sorry, I may not have been as clear as I hoped. What I meant was remove 20 -30 to a separate space eg a small tank or bowl. Find the best 2-3 and put them in a third container. Put the 27-28 in another container (eg buckets). When you have finished doing this over and over again and you have sorted all the fry, you should have say 20 or 30 good fish in one bucket and say 570 in the other. Put the 30 back in the sorting container. Check you are happy with them, once you are, cull the rest and return the 20 - 30 to the aquarium.

[nygold]

Sorry, I may not have been as clear as I hoped. What I meant was remove 20 -30 to a separate space eg a small tank or bowl. Find the best 2-3 and put them in a third container. Put the 27-28 in another container (eg buckets). When you have finished doing this over and over again and you have sorted all the fry, you should have say 20 or 30 good fish in one bucket and say 570 in the other. Put the 30 back in the sorting container. Check you are happy with them, once you are, cull the rest and return the 20 - 30 to the aquarium.

Oh I got it now thanks.
It's not you my reading comprehension is sub-par at best "It's a curse to be stupid".

[nygold]

Some of the bigger guys look to be growing what seems to be the start of a hump. I have a picture but it's a bit blurry I had to shoot him through a round plastic tank.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/12-6-104.jpg

[Romewhip]

Some of the bigger guys look to be growing what seems to be the start of a hump. I have a picture but it's a bit blurry I had to shoot him through a round plastic tank.


Definite start of a hump, and head shape looks good too. Nice clean triangle. More pics are always good.... (completely unsubtle hint!)

[Ranchufan16]

Any updated photos? would love to see how they are coming!

[nygold]

I don't have any new photo's but I did cull them down to under 100.
The bigger they get the more dissapointed I become, very few have split tails and of course the few that have split tails aren't so hot.
Does anyone have an idea what causes this?
Is it genes?
Incubation temp.?
Ph during incubation?
Environment during fry stage?
By the way both parents have split tails.

[Ranchufan16]

wow...thats pretty good though, to get it from over 1000 down to under 100. sorry to hear though that not many are turning out how you wanted. maybe there is a pet store near you who would be willing to trade fish for food or something?

[fantail1]

Don't get disheartened Quality fish are very rare - if you get 6 worth keeping from 1000 you have done well. Keep looking and keep culling. The quality will come through if you persevere.

David

[nygold]

A few shots of whats left of the fry I'm down to under 50
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/1-20-115.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/1-20-117.jpg

[Ranchufan16]

They are looking good Don!!

[thomas]

wow, they're looking good. How old are they right now?

[nygold]

Thanks guys they are a little over 2 months.

[thomas]

actually the birth date is in the title, forgot to check that.

[Cincy Ranchu]

I don't have any new photo's but I did cull them down to under 100.
The bigger they get the more dissapointed I become, very few have split tails and of course the few that have split tails aren't so hot.
Does anyone have an idea what causes this?
Is it genes?
Incubation temp.?
Ph during incubation?
Environment during fry stage?
By the way both parents have split tails.

Lack of split tails and only a 100 good fish - this could be because of a number of things with Ryukin and you have not mentioned the gill plate twisting stage yet, that will came to bare soon.

Ryukins are a simple fish that sometimes just throw bad eggs, I have found that you may get this because of the following; fish are not related? Temeporature for breeding was two warm and the eggs developed too quickly, the fish are very young and the eggs will improve with future spawns.

When breeding double humped fish you have a late culling when you figure out that many of gthe nicest fish do not get a hump, you send them to LFS as fantails at 2.4"- 3". I would try adult frozen brine shrimp to get the big hump. Have any of the fish got turned or twisted operculoms

[Cincy Ranchu]

If you look at these pics the under 50 pic has a black and white fish and a red and white fish, see the short operculums? This is going to be a large flaw... Sorry it is the bane of ryukin

[johnatoranchu]

Unfortunately I agree with Gary. I don't think many of these, if any, will turn out to be keepers although I'm the first to admit that the Ryukin is one of the few varieties I have never bred. However, whilst not wishing to disappoint you too much, I did breed my metallic Veiltails last year and I had to cull a number at 2 months because they were getting "humpy", which of course is a fault in Veiltails.
John

[nygold]

If you look at these pics the under 50 pic has a black and white fish and a red and white fish, see the short operculums? This is going to be a large flaw... Sorry it is the bane of ryukin

The fish in the group picture were raised in warm green water.
Until yesterday there were 30 fish in the GW tub and I culled them down to 15. Your 100% right the white fish with the black cap had a curled gill plate.
Let me run something past you, do you think it's possible to grow the fry too fast? It's seems the fastest growing fry had the most issues.
It seems than the fish that took there time to grow stayed more uniform than the bigger ones.

[TheTruth]

My guesstimation is anywhere from 1000 to 1500.
The bottom pic is just some of the fish.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/11-9-10.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/11-9-102.jpg

immediate culling is important or it will become overwelming

[nygold]

immediate culling is important or it will become overwelming


This picture is over 2 months old most of them are long gone.
The problem is when you have 2500 to 3000 fry aside from obvious defects what else is there to cull for in the next few weeks?
If you have a way to pick 20 or 30 of the best 2 week old Ryukin fry please share with us.

[TheTruth]

This picture is over 2 months old most of them are long gone.
The problem is when you have 2500 to 3000 fry aside from obvious defects what else is there to cull for in the next few weeks?
If you have a way to pick 20 or 30 of the best 2 week old Ryukin fry please share with us.
in a big spawn situation after two weeks of feeding with brine in the tank almost all day i get my number 3 reading glasses and pick what appears to be the best 100 or so placing them in a cup with the same water.i scoop them with a small glass.i take the rest to the freezer and feed them back to the parents wich usually results in a second spawn in 2 weeks or less ,just in case i messed up

[nygold]

in a big spawn situation after two weeks of feeding with brine in the tank almost all day i get my number 3 reading glasses and pick what appears to be the best 100 or so placing them in a cup with the same water.i scoop them with a small glass.i take the rest to the freezer and feed them back to the parents wich usually results in a second spawn in 2 weeks or less ,just in case i messed up


My problem was at 2 weeks I had alot more than 100 fry that looked good.
I culled once sometimes twice a week.
After a month or so I had thier numbers somewhere around 1000+ thats when I picked out around 100 to work with.

[Cincy Ranchu]

The fish in the group picture were raised in warm green water.
Until yesterday there were 30 fish in the GW tub and I culled them down to 15. Your 100% right the white fish with the black cap had a curled gill plate.
Let me run something past you, do you think it's possible to grow the fry too fast? It's seems the fastest growing fry had the most issues.
It seems than the fish that took there time to grow stayed more uniform than the bigger ones.

Actually what I think is going on is that the originnal breeders of this line grow the fish so fast and so huge that the short operculums get lost to our eyes in the intersection of the huge body. The flaw is carried on and does not show ubntil you cull like we do, if you had a earthen pond the resulting giant fish are culled less and you can sell many more fish. Last time I did hunped ryukin from Carney I eneded up with like 15 /1500, they are really frustrating because of this and we think that the fish are hybridized that may make them more difficult tpo reproduce. Sorry the F-1's all wnet to Veiltail-guy in Celeveland, not sure wht he did with them

[johnatoranchu]

This picture is over 2 months old most of them are long gone.
The problem is when you have 2500 to 3000 fry aside from obvious defects what else is there to cull for in the next few weeks?
If you have a way to pick 20 or 30 of the best 2 week old Ryukin fry please share with us.

You simply have to have the picture of your "ideal" fish in your mind and cull accordingly, it really makes no difference whether to have 100 fry or 10,000 the procedures are the same. Depending on how good your eyes are the first cull should be undertaken between 10 and 15 days. Cull from the top (regardless of variety) and always concentrate on the tail (again regardless of variety). At the first cull you should be able to eliminate all fry which lack division in the tail plus of course all those with mis-shapen bodies. Cull the fry in batches of 50/100 in a white bowl. After another 10 to 15 days of intensive feeding cull for body shape and finnage. With experience this can still be done from the top, again in batches of 50 in a white bowl. Alternatively cull them from the side using a small aquarium (a 6 inch glass cube is ideal), in batches of 6-10 but this is time consuming. Again you will need the picture of your ideal fish firmly in your mind. Culling is very time consuming but the more practice one has the easier and faster it becomes and after a while you will not need to inspect every fry in the bowl/tank individually, instead you will automatically focus on and keep the one or two in the batch that stand out. After another 10-15 days you should be able to cull again for body shape (short coupled) and twin anals. Thereafter simply compare fish with fish, remove any with twisting finnage, eye deformities etc. as such faults become apparent and watch for colour chang and if space is a problem only keep those which change colour quickly. I can see little point in doing everything right to obtain a reasonable/good spawning (1500 - 5000 fry) then throwing most away without instection. As far as getting down to the "right" 30 or so is concerned, this once again comes down to experience and feeding methods but it should be possible to reduce spawnings to this figure or less (depending on quality) before the spawning is 3 months old.
John

[nygold]

Thanks for the great info guys.
I have the fry I'm looking for in my head.
I'm looking for that diamond like shape, a nice firmly held dorsal, a split tail than has little or no fork to it, also a uniform tail thats matched on both sides and has equal lobes (very hard to get), a short thick penduncle, of course any sign of a hump,double anal fins, and an all around stocky-ness to the fish.
But here's the kicker I split the last 70 fish up, 30 in a GW tub and 40 in a CW tank. The heater in the CW tank broke and the temp dropped to around 60F. I didn't get a chance to replace the heater so they stayed at that temp. So off course they didn't grow as fast as the GW fish that were raised at 75-78 degrees. BUT the slow growth of the fish in the cooler water seemed to allow these fish to grow more uniform. Out of the 30 GW fish 1 or 2 are to my specs. but there are probably close to a dozen in the CW that fit my description above. Do you guys or anyone else have any thoughts on this?

[nygold]

Just a few update shots.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/3-23-1119.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/3-23-1116.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/3-23-1115.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/3-23-1114.jpg

[32Bit_Fish]

Nice looking Ryukin. Are they short tail ones? I love the short tail baseball shape ryukin. But I'm afraid to keep them as it was a total failure with two long fancy tail ryukin I tried to keep last time. Both of them got SBD within 2 weeks time in my possession.

[Ranchufan16]

top one is excellent Don! great looking fry! how many you down to now?

[nygold]

Nice looking Ryukin. Are they short tail ones? I love the short tail baseball shape ryukin. But I'm afraid to keep them as it was a total failure with two long fancy tail ryukin I tried to keep last time. Both of them got SBD within 2 weeks time in my possession.

These should end up being short tails.
We'll see how they turn out.

[nygold]

top one is excellent Don! great looking fry! how many you down to now?

Thanks Ian I think I have around 30 or so.
These guys are growing very slooooooooooowly.

[Ranchufan16]

Thanks Ian I think I have around 30 or so.
These guys are growing very slooooooooooowly.

I am finding this to be true with the chochokin fry as well.....very frustrating... 30 is a good number, hopefully out of this batch you will obtain some more breeders for the future! does temperature have anything to do with the growth rate? I have heard space does too, but I know you know that...your the Ryukin genious!!!:worship: hoping to obtain this status someday!!!

[nygold]

I am finding this to be true with the chochokin fry as well.....very frustrating... 30 is a good number, hopefully out of this batch you will obtain some more breeders for the future! does temperature have anything to do with the growth rate? I have heard space does too, but I know you know that...your the Ryukin genious!!!:worship: hoping to obtain this status someday!!!

I doubt one Ryukin spawn makes me a genious. Very amature is more like it.
Yeah your right about the space and temp. I have them in my basement so it's hard for me to keep the temp. up where I like it. Another thing is the parents weren't fast growers either.
I have another spawn going right now Fred gave me some Veils he got from Streamson and they started chasing yesterday so I hand spawned them.
I have them in a 10 gallon tank, this time I'm going to keep the hatching temp. around 72ish and I didn't use any meth-blue.
I can see the eyes developing so far so good.
Keep your fingers crossed.
I tried to get the telescopes to spawn but no go.
Oh well I guess you take what you can get.
If you look in my album you can see the parent Veils.

[nygold]

A couple more.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/3-23-1117.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/3-23-1118.jpg

[Lennard]

Thanks for a very informative thread.

(Hatching 1000's and culling them to 30! So if I hatch 9 I can just as well cull all of them at birth :exact: ?)

Looking forward to an update of the beautiful fish.

Lennard

[nygold]

Thanks for a very informative thread.

(Hatching 1000's and culling them to 30! So if I hatch 9 I can just as well cull all of them at birth :exact: ?)

Looking forward to an update of the beautiful fish.

Lennard

I'm glad you enjoy the thread.
Having 9 baby fish is great you can grow out all 9 and really see what you have. When you have 1000's of babies you have little choice but to cull unless you have a big pond or 100 tanks. I have niether.
I actually culled them all the way down to 3.
I'll try to post pics of them.

[joe]

your ryukins are beautiful with tremendous potential. I can see their humps already developing. I believe with short tail ryukins that they increase in mass rather then over all length. Their growth rates seem normal to me.

[nygold]

This is one of the Ryukin born almost a year ago when I started this thread.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/10-3-113.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/10-3-112.jpg

[small_ranchu]

Beautiful one...

How do they develop hump? Are we seeing hump within one year?

[nygold]

Beautiful one...

How do they develop hump? Are we seeing hump within one year?

The hump should have been further along buy now.
The Dad had a bigger hump than tha Mom so I guess this fish has it's Mothers bad hump gene. I hoping that as the fishes body growth slows then the hump might build a bit.
I should have bred TVR.:D

[small_ranchu]

TVR? No, you should just do the best at what you are enjoying.

[DigitalRyukin]

The pics are spectacular.
curious about any special kind of light or camera ?

[Ranchufan16]

The hump should have been further along buy now.
The Dad had a bigger hump than tha Mom so I guess this fish has it's Mothers bad hump gene. I hoping that as the fishes body growth slows then the hump might build a bit.
I should have bred TVR.:D

1st of all..no on the TVR..LOL stick with the ryukins:exact: you are doing a phenominal job.

now, in regards to the hump...I have been experimenting with what Billy told me about the largest pellet that will fit in the fish's mouth.... you know what, it works. I got a so so ryukin from Dandy Orandas...barely any hump at all...now....it's got a hump...nice deep round belly and filling out really nicelly. So I would ssay try it....find the biggest pellet that will fit in the mouth of the fish comfortably..feed that (along with tuna egg sparinly and brimeshrimp) and I think you just might see a difference in the hump!

over all though.that is a VERY impressive little fish, what size is it?

[nygold]

1st of all..no on the TVR..LOL stick with the ryukins:exact: you are doing a phenominal job.

now, in regards to the hump...I have been experimenting with what Billy told me about the largest pellet that will fit in the fish's mouth.... you know what, it works. I got a so so ryukin from Dandy Orandas...barely any hump at all...now....it's got a hump...nice deep round belly and filling out really nicelly. So I would ssay try it....find the biggest pellet that will fit in the mouth of the fish comfortably..feed that (along with tuna egg sparinly and brimeshrimp) and I think you just might see a difference in the hump!

over all though.that is a VERY impressive little fish, what size is it?

Thanks for the advice Ian I will try it out.
By the way I just added the TVR crack to get a rise out of you.
You know my heart is in the shape of a Ryukin.:D

[nygold]

The pics are spectacular.
curious about any special kind of light or camera ?

Thanks for the compliment.

The light was just the regular hood light with fluorescent bulbs.
The camera is a Nikon D5000, the lens was a 18-55mm.
I put the camera in Manual mode and bumped the ISO to 1600.
I did this to try and advoid using the flash.
To be honest I used a flash on some shots and I don't remember if these shots were with or without the flash.
Oh I almost forgot I did it at night and shut off all the other lights in the room to get rid of glares and reflections.
I'm still learning how to take fish shots so if you or anyone else has and tips speak up.

[frankalank]

They are very nice.. .
Both the fish and the pictures.
I've always been a fan of your work. Keep it up
Very Respectfully,
Frank

[nygold]

They are very nice.. .
Both the fish and the pictures.
I've always been a fan of your work. Keep it up
Very Respectfully,
Frank

Thank you Frank I appreciate the kind words.

Don

[nygold]

Sorry Ian I forgot to answer this.
what size is it?
I would say the body is around 2 inches 3 with the tail.

[nygold]

Yesterday was their birthday.
Here are a couple of birthday shots.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/goldfish/11-3-1111.jpg


http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/goldfish/11-3-112.jpg

[small_ranchu]

Happy belated birthday little guys... They look like their parent now.

[CStufft]

I really like these. The head is what I really like the most. Often times the ryukin appears to have been diluted/crossed with other fish, and you loose that triangular pointed head. Nice job raising these up!

Thanks,
Chris

[devins23]

Very nice fish! Are you keeping them indoors? It's color look so bright!

[nygold]

Very nice fish! Are you keeping them indoors? It's color look so bright!

Yeah they are kept indoors.
In this case I would say the bright colors came from the parents rather than the environment. Both parents were very bright red.

[nygold]

One more shot.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/blueclaw92/goldfish/11-11-113.jpg

[jlee]

Oh my. Cute babies. I thought goldfish usually ate their own eggs but in as in your case, looked like the parents didn't. :worship:

[nygold]

Oh my. Cute babies. I thought goldfish usually ate their own eggs but in as in your case, looked like the parents didn't. :worship:

No not this time I incubated the eggs in a diffferent tank.

[thomas]

When you try this method, do you soak the pellets first or do you put it in dried?

1st of all..no on the TVR..LOL stick with the ryukins:exact: you are doing a phenominal job.

now, in regards to the hump...I have been experimenting with what Billy told me about the largest pellet that will fit in the fish's mouth.... you know what, it works. I got a so so ryukin from Dandy Orandas...barely any hump at all...now....it's got a hump...nice deep round belly and filling out really nicelly. So I would ssay try it....find the biggest pellet that will fit in the mouth of the fish comfortably..feed that (along with tuna egg sparinly and brimeshrimp) and I think you just might see a difference in the hump!

over all though.that is a VERY impressive little fish, what size is it?

[Ranchufan16]

When you try this method, do you soak the pellets first or do you put it in dried?

Hey Thomas! I never soak my pellets, always dried and I hardly ever do floating pellets usally all of the pellet food my goldfish get is slow sinking.

[thomas]

Thanks for the info Ian, i will try that out