Steam Egg

[small_ranchu]

Have you feed steam egg to your goldfish? What is the result? Thanks.

[thomasn]

also, I would like to know how do you steam the egg? is it simply a "hard boiled" egg or do you take the egg out of the shell? is it yolk and white or yolk only?

[mikroll]

Hi all,
Steam egg is not hardboil which messes the water .

Steam egg . I give you two ways to make it and am sure there are many more too.
one way as learned from thai breeders........ stir egg of chicken then place in double boiler type of basket pot so that the steam vapors cook the mix.

2nd way how my wife makes it....................stir egg of chicken add few drops of water and anything else you want (like vits. paprika color, medicines, shrimps ,tuna) and place in microwave oven for short time like 20-30 seconds until egg is gel to thickness that you wish.
thats it, steam egg. can also be cubed and dried out a little.
Fish of course are crazy for this mostly protien filled treat too.
you ask this question at the right time as we are just now making the steam egg shown here:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/mikroll/aquarium%20details/DSCN0036.jpg

[Guenther]

Have you feed steam egg to your goldfish? What is the result? Thanks.

I tried it, feeding fry, but with not the best result.
If you have a look to the ratio of protein : fat, the ratio in egg is near 1:1.2, please see at

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/protein/100-egg-protein-optimum-nutrition.htm

Hatcheries prefer a ratio 3:1 that produces a minimum of ammonia.

http://www.biomar.dk/2foder/Fodertype/Datablade/Oerred/Ecostart17-orred.aspx?sc_lang=en

In many fancy fish foods you find a protein : fat ratio between 4:1 and 10:1

So I wonder if egg is really good to feed - I think not.

[thomasn]

I tried it, feeding fry, but with not the best result.
If you have a look to the ratio of protein : fat, the ratio in egg is near 1:1.2, please see at

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/protein/100-egg-protein-optimum-nutrition.htm

Hatcheries prefer a ratio 3:1 that produces a minimum of ammonia.

http://www.biomar.dk/2foder/Fodertype/Datablade/Oerred/Ecostart17-orred.aspx?sc_lang=en

In many fancy fish foods you find a protein : fat ratio between 4:1 and 10:1

So I wonder if egg is really good to feed - I think not.

from the body building website (http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/protein/100-egg-protein-optimum-nutrition.htm)
One large egg has about 6.3g protein and 5g of fat. While egg whites contain 3.6g protein, 0 fat, egg yolks contain 2.7g protein and all the fat. maybe feeding steamed egg whites alone would be better than the entire egg; or cut the yolk in half to give the optimum protien fat ratio?

[Guenther]

from the body building website (http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/protein/100-egg-protein-optimum-nutrition.htm)
maybe feeding steamed egg whites alone would be better than the entire egg; or cut the yolk in half to give the optimum protien fat ratio?

Yes thomasn, the ratio looks better.
But what about the balance of the remaining ingredients? I have no idea.
I would prefer feeding commercial fish food, in combination with frozen natural food like bloodworm, daphnia, mysis and others.

[bekko]

The white is 77% protein and 0% fat. The yolk is 33% protein and 62% fat. But, if you fed only egg there would be deficiencies of certain amino acids and fatty acids. The old adage applies.... Everything in moderation.

Egg yolk is a good supplemental fry food. Egg white is a good binder and can be used instead of gelatin in gel foods (or goldfish omelets).

-steve

[goldfishforlife]

I thought eggs are one of the few complete proteins ? Essential and non essential ? That is one of the reasons bodybuilders like to use them even with fat content.

[goldfishforlife]

I thought eggs are one of the few complete proteins ? Essential and non essential ? That is one of the reasons bodybuilders like to use them even with fat content.

OK, is a complete protein means contains all essential amino acids. Still missing non essential.

[bekko]

Meat and soybeans also contain all the essential amino acids. Essential amino acids cannot be synthesized in the body and must be found in the diet.

Amino acids are used to build proteins which, in turn are used to replenish and build tissue and other stuff the body needs. Imagine each type of amino acid is like a different shape of Lego block. A protein (or a Lego project) requires a prescribed number of various types of amino acids (or Lego blocks). To efficiently use the food the amino acids should occur in the correct proportions to make the required proteins without running out of certain amino acids or having excess of other amino acids.

Since our knowledge of the ideal amino acid proportions are vague and the fish's precise needs change over time, we are unlikely to give them a diet which is exactly right. But, the closer we get the better.

Here is the amino acid profile of the recommended carp farming diet and selected feed items/ingredients. They are expressed as a percentage of the total protein. Notice that the numbers do not add up to 100% so there are still a lot of unknowns.
http://www.raingarden.us/snap_amino_acid.htm

-steve